yes indeed there is. some other ppl with 400se's have been bugging me about this and i wanted to see the mapping capabilities so i literally just added freeze mode in GRID replacing the remix deck controls for all 4 decks. now after reading your comment i'm thinking maybe i should have only done it for A&B hmm....any other ideas to incorporate for this upcoming release?

Thanks so much for giving us the freeze mode!! My only other idea would be at some point to incorporate isolated effects, I remember someone had developed a way to accomplish that in traktor a little while ago.... Other than that I personally am very happy with everything on the VCI-400. Really, you have developed an awesome workflow, and I am super grateful for all of the mapping updates you have given us EGE users!! You are the man!!

cool. i was actually working on something similar but didn't want to wait to release the freeze mode thing. but yeah i am probably going to make a 2 deck version of the 400 mapping where C and D are just copies of A & B but are the decks that have effects on them while A & B will always stay totally dry

It's possible to do but unfortunately it's not easy to swap them since there are so many commands in various modes that trigger FX banks 2 and 3. Some commands you could just reassign but others you'd need to delete/add or remap and recomment. Something to consider for the future tho

Thanks for the reply. I meant to say Triple FXs on #1/#2 and Single FXs on #3/#4. It just seems easier to manage with each individual deck, instead of hitting Shift every time I need FX #3 activated on a channel. On a future update it would be phenomenal. Great job on the mapping as always, it's my default mapping.

in case you didn't notice i made this FX change you requested in v2.6

There can be a slight delay when switching effects and then trying to turn that effect on immediately. But in the latest mapping the freeze effects are activated when you release the button and not when you hold it down so it should work fine. The downpress should set the effect and rates and turn the effect on and then releasing the button turns on the freeze. So make sure your timing takes account of that

Thanx…it still has a very slight delay when using the first and last freeze fx…but I've found that if you hold it down before, with the fx dry/wet fader down to dry…you can realease it at the ryt moment and it will be fine...

Yeah you can press the Vinyl button so the LED turns off and then touching the jog wheel will only pitch bend the track and not stop it

So am I to take it that there is no way to scratch a track without it stopping then? As what you have descirbed above is what I thought was the same function as touching the glass portion of the wheel to engage a pitch bend. For me touching the wheel in vinyl mode should result in a temporary stop of the track until you release the wheel and it remains playing. If you could let me know if it's possible for me to maybe amend the mapping to achieve this, it's be highly appreciated.

Actually works out that my right deck is functioning correct in vinyl mode (as I explained above and expect), but the left deck in vinyl mode is just acting as a pitch bend?? I even downgraded back to FWv1 and went back to the original mapping and same issue. Anyone know if this is hardware or software related?

Works out I had the sensitivity up to high on one deck so the commands weren't working correctly... All is well now :)

Dang, sorry I didn't think of that and took so long to respond. Something seemed weird. Glad you figured it out though

inspected closer, and as far as i can tell, mod5 and mod7 control the xfader fx in you last map, but the freeze section requires 3 mods (m1,m3,m4) m3 and m4 just indicate left or right deck (0/4). unfortunately i couldnt find a third modifier in your original map to use ... ideas?

yeah, it would be possible to do so. your findings are mostly correct but m3 & m4 are the same modifiers in each version. the new version just uses a new state m3/m4=4 as the jog wheel state for freezefx (m3/m4 are L/R jog wheel state modifiers). And xFaderFX was on M5 and M7 so you could delete those and use one of them for what is M1 in the new one (the 4 freezefx modes). xtreme mapping would help with copy/pasting if you dont already use it. but be sure to name your new edit a different file name because i've found a few small bugs in xtreme so dont overwrite your old file to be sure you have a stable one

actually, i'm being dumb. you can still use m1 for the freezefx modes in the old mapping too exactly the same as the new one. you may want to take echo freeze out the gratify section though because using the echo freeze button (which used m1 to note the freeze was on) and having the freezefx buttons caused freezefx mode and led inconsistencies.

thanks! glad you like the remix controls. once i thought of doing the 8x8 of a grid section to trigger a whole remix deck i was excited but getting the leds to work right took me a second to figure out. well worth it tho.

Anybody else notice this because if it's just me I won't feel so bad ;-) Miss the loop recorder, but great mapping, to be able to use the remix decks as intended now without spending more Russell Crowe makes me want to buy a twister/midi fighter any way just to say thank you...

you're absolutely correct grant, thanks for pointing that bug out. unfortunately a new version of xtreme mapping i used to do a lot of batch editing towards the end seems to have a bug where it set all commands that were direct to 1 to 0. i thought i fixed all of them but missed these. fixing and will upload a new version shortly...sorry to hear you miss the loop recorder, wasn't sure how many ppl used it. it wouldn't be too difficult to swap back if you used xtreme which has cut/paste ability. as for buying an mf or twister, just buy them because they're good tools, not as a thank you. the simple thank you from you directly is really appreciated since all my work on this mapping has always been done on my own time and never on djtt time.

Yeah I had to take them out to do the center Dry/Wet control. But, then I last minute moved some modifiers around and consolidated all the Dry/Wet control into the Main mapping part so I can put it back in now and just forgot. Next small update I'll put it back in as a Shift function for those C and D small buttons. Glad to hear you're liking the new mapping tho!

yes, you can upload the standalone mixer functionality. that is just flashing on a new audio firmware file to the unit. it is best to do this after you change MIDI firmware (if you are going to do that) as changing the MIDI firmware while the standalone audio firmware is active has caused problems for people during the MIDI firmware update process (these problems are easily fixable but best to avoid by putting the default audio firmware on before changing the MIDI)

Second that, on 2.6 now and this is still the most kick bottom controller out there. Like to see some of the lights back on the top row of grid and gratify if nothing else.

Noted guys, thanks for the support and sorry for the delayed response. I've been out of the country for most of the last month but I am actually about to post a new version with some changes right now. Hopefully you guys like it :)

It sounds like you have the v1 MIDI firmware loaded on the device and need to get the v2 MIDI firmware on it. D/L the f/w files from the link at the top of this page and then try. That would be why your first two issues are occurring. As for autogain, that's just a setting in the Mixer section of the Preferences. Hope this helps and sorry for the delay.

Not sure what's going on wrong here. The button should pulse as expected. What mapping were you previously using before you had these issues? And have you changed the firmware since then? Sorry for the late reply

never mind i got it to work.. but still it is very complicated to make it fully work.. now for some reason my headphones work but i canot change channels

the controller can be a bit complicated but also very powerful once you get familiar with it. what do you mean by you can't change channels though?

Hi Jon-G, that is actually a product of the MIDI firmware as there is a different note that can be sent to the performance grid buttons to make them flash. It is unfortunately not a mapping trick that can be easily applied to the buttons below like the Cue button. There are some ways to make a button like that flash but it generally requires a track to loaded or playing. As an example, I believe the way I go the Loop Recoder buttons to flash was by using a tempo phase midi out command and tied it to some modifer conditions.

yeah i am planning on giving the deckgrat mapping an update sometime soon and including a lot of these jogfx styles into motionfx. but you could probably take some of the jogfx chunks from this mapping using xtreme mapping and then make that into a 3d mapping (or paste it into one and delete other things) by relearning the jog wheel commands into some motion command but they'd also need to change from encoder commands to fader commands

If you get a tool like xtreme mapping you can then cut and paste commands from mappings and you could take the Cue1-4 commands from the 1.2 mapping (which should all be commented with Cue1-4 I think), paste them into the current and then delete all the xFaderFX commands in this mapping. That would be the cleanest or you could just try to delete the xfaderfx stuff and then map them in manually but that might be a bit more difficult.

hmm i'm not sure of an easy way to achieve this since the echo button blinking is not caused my a specific midi command, that is just using a specific VCI-400SE midi out note that triggers blinking on the button but has nothing to do with traktor. i think the way i did it for the loop recorder record button was cleanest in that at first the button will light up solid and then blink afterwards. so maybe just remap those bottom two buttons and keep the loop recorder record as is. idk tho whatever fits your needs best

hmm, are you using an updated version of traktor? also, check in the preferences in the Effects section and make sure all the macro fx are added to the Pre-Selected Effects list. if they aren't in there the effects won't turn on so you'd need to add them or just re-import just the fx settings from the tsi. if neither of those fix your issue, let me know and we can try to figure out what's going on.

thanks! so you can change the tempo fader control in two ways, by going into the Preferences->Transport and changing the the Tempo Range which will change the range of the Tempo Fader with Shift (a Direct command that will go to +- the set Tempo Range) or without Shift (a relative command that will move a percent of the set range). In the case of a set 50% range shift goes +-50% and the Tempo fader usually goes +-8%. So you could also map a button to change the tempo range so you wouldn't need to go into preferences (which i might try to include in the next update). The other way to change this would be to go into the first part of the mapping, sort by comments and look for the "Tempo Fader _" commands. If you change the sensitivity on the Relative Tempo command it will change the range the tempo fader moves (without shift) in relation to the set tempo range. hope that's not too confusing

thanks for the reply Flash!

Hey stoked, yeah your comment and one other led me to find this setup issue i never addressed apparently. thanks for bringing it up because i'm going to fix your issue and also put in some failsafes for other presets too. i must have been tired and forgot to do this, as i usually would so sorry about that. will be fixed in 2.1.2.

:)

To do this, go into the main mapping file in the Controller Manager, sort by comments and look for "LOOPfx A/C" & "LOOPfx B/D". At some point in each you'll four commands of "Effect 3 Selector". You want to change the one set to Granuphase in each. Also to note is that sorting and making edits to the main mapping file go really slow in the Controller Manager because Traktor seems to have a hard time dealing with so many commands in a single mapping. It still works though, just be patient.

Thanks for the reply man! big ups!

no problem man! thanks for being patient

this was taken out because some people were claiming to have issues with holding shift (or a few other buttons that use the same modifier as shift) and accidentally touching the jog somehow and the track skipping. i think i can find a compromise to put it back in tho

i'm putting this back in with the browse button modifier. so if you press the browse encoder in and turn the jog wheel it will fast seek. the main issue before is that ppl would press the slicer or cues mode button which also triggers the shift modifier and accidentally touch the jog wheel and make the track skip. i'm going to keep it like this for safety but if you want i can explain how to change it back to the regular shift function

:)

ok my bad, modifier condition issue i forgot about when adding back in loop decks control. will be fixed shortly.

huh, not sure how i missed that. must have confused save files or modifiers or something. fixing and will reupload in a sec

Try altering your latency in your audio settings to find a range where these issues go away. Both issues sound like they would be caused by that.

hey isaac, try the new version 2.1.1 and let me know if you are still having any of these issues. i was trying to figure out what you were experiencing and may have found and fixed one thing but i'm not sure because it's hard for me to reproduce your issues

hi dj barrister, the bottom tab for Cue 1-4 buttons are no longer cue points, they are now xFaderFX modes (only one can be active at a time) which enable the crossfader and either C/D level fader and filter knob to make crazy effects. the loop tab can be used to launch loop samples but the slicerfx you're talking about is now the bottom 4 buttons in the Slicer (8 button grid) section above the jog wheel. i'm going to add something new in the bottom loop tab section (for when its not a remix deck) just havent decided what yet and am open to all input.

Oh windows 8, hmm. Good question. I'm not sure about that, i'll have to ask. I know FirmUp is specified to work with XP and Win7 but this was before Win8 was released.

yea win8 doesnt work. although i totally forgot about my macbook dual boots to win7.. first win7 couldnt find the driver so i installed http://help.vestax.co.jp/en/detail.php?id=422&id_page_url=362 first while the vci-400 is plugged in and on via usb. worked like a charm! any update on the fixed tsi before i dive into some editing?

i'll post an update of some sort before monday. i usually try to find some more things to add/change instead of making a million different slight iterations but i can totally understand your want for editing. if there's anything you want to edit, let me know and i might just put it in this next version

so i think i'm going to break my promise about a new update tonight. i found something to put in the bottom 4 buttons when on the LOOP tab (and not using the deck as a remix deck). it's mainly just adding more control of the new macro fx

Hi Aka, Thanks for the feedback. That is a bug in that the LED behavior should be consistent on each side; however, in this mapping the bottom left 3 gratify fx buttons (for every deck) control Effect 1/2/3 in FX Bank 3 so they are correctly lighting up to show that the effect is on, but it is a bug in that it looks like the lights are for the wrong deck. i'll fix this soon to make it consistent. thanks for pointing it out

I'll be sure to update things here and let you know if a solution comes up. I'm exploring other options because unfortunately it seems impossible to update Midi over USB on Mac for the VCI-400

Got it all figured out... mapping works great, love the xfd fx. Let it be reminder to all that the VCI did come with a driver on a CD for windows. driver will not update without this, and computer will not recognized/fail to install driver without this... Felt like a fool when i dug it out of my box...

thanks for that update sam, glad you got it to work without too much pain

I've tried to reset my controller to factory defaults using the OSX firmware utility from Vestax, but it is still stuck in bootloader mode.

hey rusty, i responded on the other mapping page. look at my response there.

Okay, after hours of trying different scenarios this is what finally worked for me: 1) Restart PC 2) Turn VCI-400 on in bootloader mode 3) Open FirmUp and attempt update 4) Update fails and gives the ACK error 5) Leave Firmup open 6) Turn off VCI-400 and turn it back on in bootloader mode 7) Without changing the previous Firmup settings, press Start again. Wow what a pain!

Hey Rusty, really sorry to hear it took so long but I'm glad you finally got it to work. Thanks also for sharing the steps that worked for you, I appreciate the details and also have Vestax currently investigating this issue so all info is helpful. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you in the future as I really feel bad about the people who have had to deal with this issue.

OK tried to delete comment but no joy...fixed the jogwheel thing by tweaking the touch sensor....duuuuuuh! Actually liking some of the effects too, need to work on some personalised presets though. Thanks again.

yup, there will be for sure. i had an update nearly done right before 2.6 and am now rethinking some things to make sure it incorporates some 2.6 stuff. sorry for the delay, hopefully it'll be worth it

i hope so too! cant wait to check it out!

awesome!

hi hadj, thanks for the good ideas. i like them and will try to do something like this for traktor 2.6. i may try to have an update before that though for 2.5 and then work on adding more 2.6 only features in another subsequent mapping

Hey Chris, so 2.6 is here and flux works great with the Loop encoder. Could work with the slicer mode too I guess :) The only big problem I've found is that loads of the LED feedback has disappeared, like the cue lights, all the FX section lights, Jog FX, Loop Recorder section and probably more that I've missed. Are you seeing this fault too or is it just me?

hi hadj, thanks for your feedback. i need to do more through testing on this mapping in 2.6 but will be doing so for a mapping update real soon. hang tight in the meantime. but if you find anything really major, let me know.

Hey Chris, just an update on the LED piece, they are working fine now. Not sure how but they've been ok for a week now.

That's strange, re-importing the tsi generally fixes this as it can take 2 imports for the FX settings to load in the proper order. Make sure you are using the large Import button on the bottom left of Preferences and not the Add...->Import button as that will not import fx settings. If that doesn't work let me know, and we'll figure out what's going on

+1 on this problem 100% frequent. I have to push the echo freeze button on the jog fx buttons twice to enter echo mode. ( always ends up being a gater. This happens on mine on BOTH this mapping and the official mapping.

there is no echo freeze button on the jogfx in this mapping, that is only in the djtt version, the echo freeze was moved into the gratify section on this mapping. as for effects not loading correctly, you need to make sure you import the fx settings twice using the large import button on the bottom left of the preferences in order for the fx ordering to load as the mapping expects.

Hi Isaac, it sounds like either you have both the DJTT and my Flashflooder mapping loaded at the same time, or maybe both are loaded but the ports are only set for the DJTT mapping. So if you go into the Controller Manager in Preferences, in the Device listbox you should see all of your loaded mappings. When you select any of them you should see a setting in the In-Port and Out-Port section. You'll want to make sure that these ports are set correctly for each mapping and if you do have both mapping versions loaded in the Controller Manager at the same time, make sure that the ports are not set for both (i.e., make sure to set the ports for the mapping you don't want to use to None). If that doesn't work thought, let me know

i'm glad you like the mapping! if you want to add a delayt3 or flanger and want to replace one of the other bottom row of gratify fx that would be the easiest way to make the switch. to do so, you'll go into the controller manager, sort by comments, and look for "Gratify A". there will be a bunch of commands with this comment but you'll want to look for the "Effect 1/2/3 Selector" commands that are assigned to "FX Unit 2". These will correspond to the bottom left 3 buttons on this deck's gratify section. In your case you probably want to simply change Eff3 Select from Delay to DelayT3 and maybe change Eff2 Select from Filter:92 LFO to Flanger. You'll want to do this for all four decks by repeating these steps for each. Then the Gratify effects will trigger the effect types you want

you're very welcome! i appreciate the kind words and glad it's meeting your needs. i spent so much time on it just to use myself, i figured other people would get value in it too :)

this is really good observation and what i was trying to explain simply in the video (but i don't think many people understand these slight differences). the point at which specific effects get set, routed, configured varies quite a bit between my mapping and the djtt mapping and what you're experiencing is a blend of the fx architectures which is creating that odd behavior. it is something that i've been aware of and will be trying to fix in the a soon to be released update. for now, the gratify and jogfx used together will create the most of these conflicts but im gonna do my best to resolve these

make sure that the In-Port and Out-Port are assigned to your controller. also, check that the vci-400se is selected as the audio device in audio setup. if you're having problems you can always upload the original older mapping you had too through this maps site.

please try the older verion or the official djtt mapping if you are having issues. also be sure to always export your mappings you use for gigs to have a backup in case anything happens to the mapping loaded within traktor.

yeah this is a great point and a very valid issue with all the constant fx swapping throughout this mapping. besides the occasional odd behavior like this, it is kinda hard to remember what the expected behavior even is. anyways, i am literally going to update this mapping with a lot of significant changes right now. paramount to these changes is a much simpler, consistent, and understandable fx structure. in this one jog fx with and echo freeze will always work :)

yup, i have some new concepts i'm finishing up and some general performance tweaks. if there are any things you'd really like to see changed or fixed, please let me know here

Set input and output to the VCI-400.

VIRGILABAD as I mentioned in my msg input/outputs already checked, VCI selected for everything, but this mapping doesnt work whereas the normal DJTT EGE one works. I'm baffled.

My guess is that the In-Port is not set correctly. Are you getting functionality from any of the controls?

Inport/outport did the trick! Was using a macbook, hence the issue. Loving the new FX shortcuts!

Just fixed it myself.. Now wondering how to drop the FX sound when button is released. I can still hear an echo of the T3 Delay effect.